tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19158895.post5311945492454256407..comments2024-02-26T00:37:47.131-08:00Comments on Broomstick Chronicles: Back Story, One of SeveralBroomstick Chronicleshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11217890674112142957noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19158895.post-72771070660614645512019-04-03T01:11:36.413-07:002019-04-03T01:11:36.413-07:00I am an Australian and have attended only Australi...I am an Australian and have attended only Australian WitchCamps. As I live in Regional Australia I don't have much to do with reclaiming in between times. It is April 2019, and I am finding this conversation very relevant.Carrie Brightfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11397867195883720955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19158895.post-20400285869682505922013-11-08T17:34:43.529-08:002013-11-08T17:34:43.529-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15102013794065370255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19158895.post-79552159753310705432013-11-08T17:26:22.554-08:002013-11-08T17:26:22.554-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15102013794065370255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19158895.post-5180168320217513342012-08-21T08:09:44.351-07:002012-08-21T08:09:44.351-07:00Madelon,
Your stories and experience I would love...Madelon, <br />Your stories and experience I would love to hear more of. I have been thinking of how so many of us allow our good sense and better judgement to leave the room in order to keep being part of "community"... We lose our wits to keep our friends! I am going to be writing more on that at brenchesup.blogspot.com. Feel free to chime in...I want to hear your story and have been a long time voice against the hanging on meat hook rituals....and have know a couple of people who were actually bruised up in the non violence workings!!ldeborahoakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08885597618292635710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19158895.post-56388508383256113482012-08-20T18:56:43.693-07:002012-08-20T18:56:43.693-07:00Thanks for your comments, all, and now especially,...Thanks for your comments, all, and now especially, Madelon. I look forward to any comments you may make in the future, because I know that silence is complicity. I have been complicit, albeit from the periphery and not in the case of WitchCamps, where I have been prevented from teaching (another story for another post).<br /><br />I have heard stories similar to yours (and worse), but since I was prevented from participating in WitchCamps, which is the venue where Reclaiming culture was developing after it left the SF Bay Area, there was nothing I could do about it.<br /><br />Please check back for future posts on the many reasons for my leaving. It's validating to learn of others' struggles within the trad, while at the same time it makes me feel all the more stupid for my blindness to what was going on in front of me. Idealism, I guess. Broomstick Chronicleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11217890674112142957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19158895.post-48134019377499680412012-08-20T17:15:07.615-07:002012-08-20T17:15:07.615-07:00Macha-
Thank you for this blog. It has awakened s...Macha-<br /><br />Thank you for this blog. It has awakened some memories that I would mostly like to forget, but it also opens a dialog that I think is badly needed.<br /><br />I am 6 years post-Reclaiming, a Midwesterner, and "only" a camper, so I'm at the bottom of the hierarchy that supposedly does not exist in Reclaiming. But I will speak from my experience.<br /><br />I got the Mother of all Migraines at the first Midwest Witchcamp I attended (2001), so your story reminded me of the incredibly abusive and pointless "ritual" that brought on the migraine. In this "ritual," we were cast as either protesters or police. In the "ritual," the "police" went around beating people on the head and shoulders with rolled-up newspapers. <br /><br />Now, this was a long time ago and so I no longer remember exactly what the point of this "ritual" was. And I was so new to and enchanted by the wildness of Reclaiming that I even though I thought this abuse within sacred space was wrong and twisted, I continued to go to Midwest Witch Camp and Winter Witch Camp for several years. <br /><br />At the last camp I attended in Missouri, two other people and I walked out of an equally abusive and senseless "ritual." It was the third highly emotional and badly crafted ritual in a row at that camp and I could not take the intense attack on my sense of safety and integrity any longer. I may be slow on the uptake, but I finally realized at that camp that what Reclaiming does is manipulate people's emotions and people confuse that emotional froth with spirituality or raising energy. <br /><br />I spoke up about the inappropriateness of manipulating and traumatizing people in a space in which no safety net existed. I believe that many wounded people are attracted to paganism, and I find it disturbing that the people planning and teaching at these camps have so little concern about playing out traumatizing events in sacred space. <br /><br />As a result of my candor in speaking out, I lost friendships and left the tradition forever. I have a lot to say about the inappropriate and unchecked behavior that I have observed in Reclaiming and its offshoot, Feri, but perhaps that is best saved for another response to another of your posts. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19158895.post-74301709814603496392012-08-16T18:03:34.632-07:002012-08-16T18:03:34.632-07:00For future reference, if one is ever unsure of a p...For future reference, if one is ever unsure of a person's gender identity, it's always okay to ask, "What pronouns are you using?" You don't have to be psychic. :)<br /><br />It's strange to me that, having been around for roughly the same amount of time, that Reclaimers and Radical Faeries seem to know so little about each other. That's really too bad.V.V.F.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12403517392479564551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19158895.post-55682076818619063812012-08-16T16:55:25.586-07:002012-08-16T16:55:25.586-07:00Macha/Aline, my friend;
You are an Elder in every...Macha/Aline, my friend;<br /><br />You are an Elder in every positive sense of the word, and as such, you have a right to a certain level of consideration and respect from those of us who have benefited from your work and your teaching--and in my opinion, that includes the entire Pagan community. Where would we all be without COG, without Reclaiming, without the strong voices such as your own, Starhawk's, Alison Harlow's, Amber K and Azrael's...this entire thing ought never to have happened, regardless of the discussion's focus, in the realm of simple human respect and consideration. I am terribly sorry you had to endure this, even at a distance of two years, and do tell you from my heart that the community you have helped to nourish and sustain through your example and teachings, world-wide, does indeed support your decisions, your words, and your marvelous Spirit. Thank you, from uncounted hundreds of us. <br /><br />Aisling, always your friend and supporter.Aisling the Bardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06967415135380920815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19158895.post-27542088723200759252012-08-15T09:52:50.630-07:002012-08-15T09:52:50.630-07:00Some Craft Trads, I think, have allowed what is ce...Some Craft Trads, I think, have allowed what is central in the lives of some practitioners to displace the Center of and for All. <br /><br />Politics, I mean to say, is not the same as magic or the doing of magic. I am a Witch and do Craft because of and to grow close to the Magic. <br /><br />On a different and more personal note, I find that, as I age, I cannot deal so well with groups or with group dynamics. I keep looking for the heartfelt consensus rather than the tacit acceptance of views required to belong. <br />Pitch313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19158895.post-36280780006749424732012-08-12T12:49:25.274-07:002012-08-12T12:49:25.274-07:00Macha, I came across your blog and wanted to thank...Macha, I came across your blog and wanted to thank you. This may have happened two years ago but I find it to be quite timely. I am grateful for your willingness to speak out in public on these issues. <br />The expression “Tyranny of the minority” goes a long way to describe the general vibe in the larger pagan community these days. The hissing as a complement is a great example of narcissism disguised as spiritual tradition. <br />Should all people be treaded with respect; of course. The pagan community does more than many other religions to support equality, and I am proud of that fact. <br />I think, however, we would do well as a spiritual tradition to focus more on being earth based as it is the primary concept on which paganism is founded.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09831550953057861100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19158895.post-65690866219283286672012-08-10T06:34:51.686-07:002012-08-10T06:34:51.686-07:00I am astounded that people would be allowed to be ...I am astounded that people would be allowed to be so rude without being called on it. I am so sorry that happened to you, Macha.Star Fosternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19158895.post-2692942665704585722012-08-09T18:01:00.232-07:002012-08-09T18:01:00.232-07:00Gwion, i don't know why they were rude. You&#...Gwion, i don't know why they were rude. You'll have to ask them. Some were transgendered and some (well, at least one) were not. The shocking thing to me is that neither the facilitator nor anyone else in that room called for more respectful civil dialogue.<br /><br />No, the change to the PoU was not the straw that broke the camel's back. I'll get to that in another post. I had made my final decision, sadly and reluctantly, some hours <i>before</i> the PoU discussion had concluded. <br /><br />At that time I found the two people who planned to ride back to the Bay Area with me and asked them if they could find another way home because I wanted to leave asap. I assured them I wouldn't leave them there. They did find someone else with whom to ride, but not until the evening, and Corby didn't want me to leave at night for that long 13-hour drive, so I left first thing in the morning.<br /><br />Yes, I do intend to explore several dissatisfactions over the course of the next weeks and months, and I welcome dialogue about them here. Not just from those who agree with me, either.<br /><br />Thanks to all of you who have commented.Broomstick Chronicleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11217890674112142957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19158895.post-43584885957381682062012-08-09T17:35:35.587-07:002012-08-09T17:35:35.587-07:00Perhaps a worthwhile interjection -
This event ha...Perhaps a worthwhile interjection -<br /><br />This event happened two years ago, not at the most recent Dandelion gathering a week ago. <br /><br />Macha, as far as I know, has stated several times publicly that she is not in any way transphobic.<br /><br />I believe that Macha is saying that SOME folks who attended ONE meeting of many at D4 were rude to her. Their rudeness, as she describes it, was based upon the way she perceived them to have treated her. They were not rude to her BECAUSE they were transgendered.<br /><br />The D5 discussions and changes to the POU were not because a "few uppity trans folks" felt excluded. This has been a long conversation, held throughout the Reclaiming Community and much of the Pagan Community at large. The participants at the D5 POU meeting came from diverse gender backgrounds and, in many cases, were empowered by their home communities to take the opinions, wishes, hopes, etc to this meeting to make sure that their voices were heard in the discussion.<br /><br />Macha - A question for you - I know this has been a decision you've been contemplating for quite some time - we've talked about it. The timing of your resignation appears to point to the fact that changes in the POU were the straw that broke the camels back. Is that accurate? If so why? You mentioned several aspects of the tradition that, in your opinion, seem to be devolving or, at the least sloppy, but didn't cite any examples or give any context what you've observed. Is that part of the "coming soon" posts?<br /><br />Love to you - GwionGwion Ravenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15416095193550597853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19158895.post-61485477003709564612012-08-09T14:15:41.171-07:002012-08-09T14:15:41.171-07:00I've been thinking about what happens when an ...I've been thinking about what happens when an oppressed/repressed group embarks on the journey of liberation. It is often not pretty. People operating out of pressure, internal and/or external, (this is not criticism but observation) are often less mature than they might like to be. Often the way of the person pushing through a membrane can seem aggressive, rude, even unfriendly. I am not making an excuse for anyone, but noting that, if I assume perfect love and perfect trust, then the hissing and the other rudeness you encountered were expressions by people who didn't have the mature tools to meet you in a different way. Trans folk are really on the growing edge. Gay and lesbian...not so radical anymore. Women's movement, though the issues still exist, not new. Etc. But the trans folk are the latest to push their way out of the closet and there is a developmental process involved. That being said, the tyranny of the minority is something that groups can fall prey to and which may be playing a part in the process leading to the revision of the Reclaiming PoU, and that can really suck.<br /><br />How do we balance understanding and compassion for people who are working their way out of a box with the need for community to function well for all members? I don't have an answer, and I think it's a valid question. <br /><br />Lately in my life I am working on not personalizing as much as I can, on viewing problems as process/system issues more than as personnel issues. I also think about family systems and roles we play in our families, and how family dynamics are also present in our chosen families and communities.<br /><br />All that being said, I don't go to meetings anymore because I know I am likely to yell at people who piss me off if they piss me off enough, because some of my filters are damaged and I know that about myself. I give you kudos for having gone to these things.Baruchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12084124093933230087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19158895.post-79272189854743657062012-08-09T12:02:38.061-07:002012-08-09T12:02:38.061-07:00Wow. The part about the hissing kinda blows my min...Wow. The part about the hissing kinda blows my mind. If your personal group is going to decide that a gesture with a long and deeply embedded cultural meaning is now going to mean the EXACT OPPOSITE for your group... you ONLY use it within your group. You don't use it when there are people present who did not decide to subscribe to your weirdness, and then react with astonishment when they assume the standard cultural meaning. <br /><br />I'm always both surprised and not surprised when I hear about people doing things like that... Surprised, because I think something like "don't hiss at people in general and expect it to be taken as a compliment" is common sense; not surprised because, well, as people we're not always real big on common sense. :-/VikingRunnernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19158895.post-71491347578783854792012-08-09T10:55:41.054-07:002012-08-09T10:55:41.054-07:00I think it was from Rosemary Radford Ruether that ...I think it was from Rosemary Radford Ruether that I first learned the concept of "lateral oppression." You don't need a hierarchy to oppress.Phaedra Bonewitsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19158895.post-41504370746650999662012-08-09T08:27:53.036-07:002012-08-09T08:27:53.036-07:00Kathleen here:
When I first read it, I thought yo...Kathleen here:<br /><br />When I first read it, I thought you were referring to this recent event, not one 2 years ago. I'll be watching this space for further updates. It does fill in details from our conversation at Summerland. I'll likely try and reach you by phone, since email is terrible at nuance and I find my writing pedantic and boring.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19158895.post-56199812073785903252012-08-08T23:42:08.412-07:002012-08-08T23:42:08.412-07:00For what it's worth, Aline, I'm surroundin...For what it's worth, Aline, I'm surrounding you in protection and love.Clare Slaneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14937627339653914404noreply@blogger.com